Races -- What needs to be improved? What's missing?

[Thalia]

Gotten several ideas lately with ideas for new races or changes for existing.  I'd like to get some more feedback on which races are working/interesting or not working/need help.

[Daklore]

What I can say ain't working... is the damage on racial skills. Sure, they're not supposed to be OMGWTFPWN! But... they should at least be capable of doing -something- at level 200, not just a cosmetic, ya know?

And the Snifvliblin ability Blur, should be more like a dodge skill, not a 'raises built in AC'... cause... correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't AC just reduce the amount of damage you take, rather than, as the help file says, "makes you harder to hit."?

All in all, breathweapons and mentalflare pwn all... and yeah, I know, those races are supposed to.. but... why should they be the only ones with racial skills that can actually -do- something?

As for new races, I think we've got enough... but that's only because you guys won't give me a race change... and I won't be playing any new characters anyway >P

*still wants his very own unique Demonic race* *shifty eyes*

[Zelos]

We've talked about were kitties possibly being able to control their transformations after so long, so how about we let them wear armor in the same slots as the equus, but only if they are 3rd evo and reached the same hours, if not more, to be able to do the transformation, Also, say I chose to commit suicide in my were-kitty form, I should be allowed to wear armor, I mean after dying, and coming back at a giant kittie I'm pretty sure I'm going to learn how to wear some form of armor on my body to protect myself. EVEN HEMAN'S CAT WORE ARMOR, so why should we be able to, if we chose to kill ourselves in kittie form.

[Daklore]

The idea is that when you become a were-anything, your mind becomes feral, and logic thusly eludes you. Sure, over time, it's entirely possible for a were to overcome that feral state of mind and aquire logic, but still, the transformation is going to rip away any clothes you're wearing anyway... unless your clothes are so bulky and lose you trip on them all the time. Being able to control the were-form, I agree with... maybe even being able to wear some armor... but you also have to remember that when you form a custom - it's generally formed to your -true- form, not both forms. Somehow, I don't think any blacksmith is going to make a werecat armor, let alone a werecat have the logic to -make- armor.

[Zelos]

but it's magical armor...wouldn't it be logical to think if it's magical armor, that it could possess the ability to change form with the wearer? I think thats logical, in D&D you can possess armor that changes forms with you, so why not here? Also, I've got a question about the committing suicide in were-kittie form, if you do, then you go tier, do you lose the health bonus or do you get to keep it?

[Zelos]

EBIL HORSEIS FOR THE EQUUS RACES! WE NEED EBIL HORSIES!

[Daklore]

Armor crafting to your shape requires logical thought, again. A feral mind woul try and throw it off, considering any feral creature in the wild will attempt to get anything that is attached to them off. It makes them feel trapped, or well, we can assume that anyway. So once again, your logic is defeated. As for ebil horsies... people can RP one, we don't need a new race specifically for it o_O

[Leesil]

As much as it pains me, I must agree with Daklore *Suddenly I feel very very dirty*, When you change into your wereform you become wild animal operateing solely on insticint. That instinct is is to rip off any covering and run free. Be thankful you don't have to go track down your EQ when you change back.

And yes, we so need dark Equii.

[Daklore]

How about instead of starting a whole new evolutionary chain for dark horsies, why not just offer some sort of in-game 'race' change that is nothing more than cosmetic... and maybe resistance altering. Ya know, like.... Daklore corrupts them and fills their soul with nothing but absolute darkness and there's no going back! *shifty eyes* Okay, maybe not Daklore corrupting them, but along the same lines thereof.

[Calryc]

One word for what's missing from the races.  Grigs. 

[Daklore]

ROFL! I haven't heard that in ages. I remember Merlin's "Save the Grigs" campaign... and Grigs even existed for a few minutes... then Gilly smote them away. I guess she didn't want to try and imagine how a human and a cricket had sex. Pfft. We've got Yuan-ti, which are half human/half snake... how did that human and snake have sex? >P

[Zylvyn]

Actually, I bet a human just mated with a naga...

[Chalgyr]

correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't AC just reduce the amount of damage you take, rather than, as the help file says, "makes you harder to hit."?

Actually, you're wrong.   It does affect damage but also liklihood to be hit (keep in mind, during the last pwipe I completely rewrote all of the fight/to-hit logic).  In retrospect... it's amazing anyone can hit anything at all since I was the one who did that... Thalia probably fixed it for me.


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I knew weres would come into the discussion.  I'm not opposed to more of them, just not sure how needed they are with the werecats already in.
And I also (painful!) agree with Dak's overall assessment in the feral discussion
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Evil My Little Ponies could be cool as a hidden race.  Hm...

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Grigs

I'm going to direct Gilly to this link just to abuse you.

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Those are my comments so far to this, but keep ideas and thoughts going.  We may have a few ideas of our own to toss out soon, to see what you all think.

[Daklore]

Actually, you're wrong.   It does affect damage but also liklihood to be hit (keep in mind, during the last pwipe I completely rewrote all of the fight/to-hit logic).  In retrospect... it's amazing anyone can hit anything at all since I was the one who did that... Thalia probably fixed it for me.

And this is why we shouldn't let Chalgyr into the code.

[Calryc]

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I'm going to direct Gilly to this link just to abuse you.

*Runs for his dear life*

And this is why we shouldn't let Chalgyr into the code.

*But can't, because for some reason flee isn't working as Chalgyr was at the code again.  Upon entering the command the MUD turns everybody into Grigs before crashing for eternity.*

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I honestly have no complaints about races at this point.  Of course, I don't think I have the hours on the 'Goyle tree to tell anyway.